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manager or ARB himself but I'm not here

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for that I'm here to say this in the

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world before the skeptics own it was a

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world full of superstition and fustian

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behavior and one day I'll understand

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what that word means but before that

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vessel empty shell nothing and then from

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the void came the skeptic zone for five

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things and fustian behavior and fusty

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ish pneus but now five years on everyone

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here's a letter a bummer of northern New

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there's nothing about the skeptic zone I

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don't like except that guy who is a big

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anyway we'll get on to another letter in

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a moment but look even Albert Einstein

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himself loves the show what are you

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reckon ow it's a great show man I

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personally bless the skeptic zone and

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptics on an

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episode number 254 for the first of sep

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lovely young student at the University

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friends recently there were all the 21st

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course there's no climate change it's

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all the fault well now it's all a

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conspiracy from from being over yeah

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yeah all the scientists want more

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funding that's what it is they figure

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that I've heard that they come out and

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funding and they get more funding by

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running around saying that climate

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change is bad news happening all the

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rest and they ignore those science of

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course of course of course scientists

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we're all they want is funding all they

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want as well the don't wheel that's true

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fair enough fair enough you might be

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interested in in I don't know if you've

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heard of the National Center for Science

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education in the United States um

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peripheral e not know okay so not to the

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point where I've done it they've taken

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out this they were primarily and I guess

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they still are defending the teaching

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the teaching of evolution in schools and

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creationists in America it's a big

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problem yeah we don't you don't really

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have that much of a problem here in

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Australia I'm pleased to say yeah but

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more recently over the last few years

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they've also taken the same attitude

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towards climate change denial so they

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will help teachers and others who are

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having a hard time yeah trying basically

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trying to teach science yeah I had an

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odd experience in high school that when

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I was part of the Environment Committee

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in year 11 the teacher who run the group

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I found out she was a climate-change

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skeptic mmm was really strange

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experience and I found out you know

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fairly late into the into the term yeah

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and it was it was just such a bizarre

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experience like I'd I struggled to find

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support within the school structure to

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get you know big action happening so I

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did manage to get solar cells on the

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roof of the pool it's going on do you

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yeah yeah my year eight science teacher

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heard what my dad did and thought we're

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gonna get some solar cells and we did so

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that's that's my legacy of the school

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what does you did you just he's the head

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of the school of photovoltaic and

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renewable energy engineering at the

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University of New South Wales you must

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have a big business card

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yeah yeah yeahs fit all that on he's big

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in China and he's mates with cate

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blanchett too because they did a did a

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project on the wharf theatre he likes to

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use the phrase my mate Kate oh yes yeah

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once she kissed him on the cheek and he

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rubbed it on a better for ages I wonder

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why a chief looked a bit dirty wash the

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things I can't say that I blame him now

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so this is all coalesce in your mind all

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this stuff yep and it inspired you to

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take more action in artistic man I shall

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we say how did what was the thinking

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behind all that well it came out of a

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post from the AICC which was calling for

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crowdsourcing for ideas on how to turn

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the climate change debate from something

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about being the carbon tax is a bad

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thing to it being about positive action

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towards transitioning to renewable

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energy future and I don't know it just

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just sprung from there and I pretty much

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knocked off most of it in a couple of

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nights how long does it go the whole

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shootin it's about 45 minutes like it's

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not a huge show but um this is a live

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show which is been before yeah yeah yeah

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is it on YouTube norm but I'm going to

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be selling DVDs to raise money for me to

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go to Antarctica Antarctic mm-hmm the

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Antarctic Youth Ambassador Program in

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February next year how exciting is yeah

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how exciting is that a very good friend

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of mine and a good friend of the

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skeptics earned dr. Paul Willis who has

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a segment on a show every week he's been

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to the Antarctic more times and he's had

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hot dinners I swear he's going down

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there a lot of times and the exciting

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stories he tells of getting off the

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launch or whatever I was walking along

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and finding us a fossilized plesiosaur

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yeah yeah isn't that just that still

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gobsmacking okay you think it is it's

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not making so it just boggles the mind

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the wealth of scientific treasure that

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lies about the ice in the Antarctic it

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must be when you think about it I guess

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there must be untold

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fossils of animals dinosaurs all sorts

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of things there yes so exciting and

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apart from the fact that it's a

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spectacularly beautiful place and so I

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don't blame you for wanting to go yeah

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yeah I don't blame you at all and and so

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it so you're saying you did film it yeah

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the phone we performed it early January

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and when when is that DVD looking like

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it's going to be right well I need to go

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over to my friends place and pick them

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up and then organize to sell them that's

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that's what it's going to be but yeah if

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you if you're interested and want to

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check out my musical um i will post news

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about that on my blog which is aunt

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Arctic and Antarctic and test wordpress

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com Antarctic and test wordpress com I

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put a link in the show notes they Google

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Antarctic and kiss yep yep this is

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arguing yep how exciting is that way

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there's the word listeners if you want

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to help this courageous young woman with

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her origami earrings origami earrings in

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the Antarctic ice I'll take it take a

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selfie in not to go with some origami

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earrings that would be fantastic if you

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want to help this brave young lady reach

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her dream then check out the blog and

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hopefully very soon you'll be able to

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get the DVD and I think I think we

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really do need an example yeah maybe the

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wrap sure myself let's hear the wrap

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yeah okay listen to us what we speak is

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true I facts and figures kind of make us

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blue you can right the wrongs if you

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stop and here we're giving truth in a

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propagating fear climate change it can't

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be ignored sit up in here don't just be

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bored I'll slap you with the fact if you

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make me see red if you ignore science

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you might as well be dead me and my

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colleagues here at CSIRO the sick and

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tired of you no no no open your ears it

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might save your life we won't let you

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drag us into strife the earth is warming

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as cos we emit greenhouse gases carbon

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and all that sea levels rising we're in

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big trouble so we're here to burst your

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protective bubble what we're seeing

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hasn't happened since way back when two

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decades after Jesus was hanging with men

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graphical trends are on the up and up I

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know

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hard to understand young pup but it

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means or through if we don't change with

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changing means in ways so it will feel

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strange droughts and floods Carl

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bleaching a mess it's proof right here

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at planets under stress make more

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pollution the earth gets hotter do we

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have to lead you like a horse to water

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the car when we send to the atmosphere

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thickens layer traps the heat in here

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it's really not natural gas or too hot

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you're staring us in a boiling pot when

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you say we're wrong you're defying

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physics geologic slack for three to five

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or six you pull out the skeptics like I

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know what's what but if I kept it to me

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they know diddly-squat about the

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patterns graph in fact climate science

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but you aren't methyl ice we weren't sit

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in silence but facts the facts you can't

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deny that so we hope you thanked us for

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this little chat cement and clever

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scientists just aren't wrong and it

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names nothing condiments or join the

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throng save your precious words they've

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been little to us you're wrong and you

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know it thus take your propaganda it's

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not welcome here we're all about making

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sure the area is clear and you wrote

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that yeah good heavens mm-hmm good

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heavens Wow a climate change rap is it

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as cold was that it doesn't really have

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a title because it fits into a into a

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whole thing and yeah it's technically um

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it's technically a two-part rap between

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a scientist scientist and an economist

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at chive charmer who is a mining magnate

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is based off no one no no no no no I

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know that name at all yeah yeah yeah

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it's it's yeah it's a lot of fun it's a

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musical is a bit bit political but um

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yeah well I guess it would have to be

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it's true it's true I'm pretty

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interested in the sociological effects

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of you know climate change and the fact

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that's going to be you know whole

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cultural and you know it's societal

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shift that we're going to have to do in

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dissolve it you know you can't can't

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really ignore the political enough you

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know what I'd love I would love you to

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come and perform that at our sydney

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skeptics in the pub meeting one time

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sounds good to me have you got the

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bottle to do that yeah yeah I can do

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that yeah I think that would be really

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fun that way

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fun well test look I'm delighted to come

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by have a chat with you and be dazzled

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by your talent in your earrings okay

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your necklace and this looks lovely and

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thank you for being on the skeptics am

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thank you so much the inviting me to be

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need to know this week in science we saw

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listening fetuses acidic oceans and

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combating a varian cancer ocean

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acidification is set to drastically

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impact our oceans ecosystems within this

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century this process is due to increased

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co2 in the atmosphere which is absorbed

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by our oceans making them more acidic a

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study of a wide range of organisms found

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that all of them will be negatively

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affected to varying degrees corals clams

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and starfish as some of the animals that

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are most susceptible while whales

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dolphins and crustaceans appear to be

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more resilient there's been an advance

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in the fight against ovarian cancer with

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a promising new screening strategy

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ovarian cancer has previously been

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difficult to detect early and is often

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lethal claiming over 900 Australian

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women each year the two-stage screening

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process involves a series of blood tests

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with follow-up ultrasounds for high-risk

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patients this early detection strategy

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is currently being clinically trialed in

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the US and has the potential to save

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thousands of lives you're listening to a

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robot has a human-like face you're more

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aimed at kids use toys as enticements is

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it a 30-percent be fifty percent see

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hello skipped exam this is Shane green

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up here the founder of rubato and I am

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at the 15th European skeptics conference

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I'm going to be doing some interviews

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for you and hopefully we find some

573
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interesting things to talk about hey so

574
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I am here with Michael Marsh you talked

575
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yesterday yeah I did I talked about my

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my PR and the media stuff and just how

577
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much of the news is actually placed

578
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there by companies trying to sell you

579
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stuff and how you spot this kind of

580
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stuff and and how you can demonstrate

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the harm of it and I think by tracking

582
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it or tracking what kind of stories

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appear in the news all the time you can

584
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start to piece together narratives and

585
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:02,230
find the villains and see really

586
00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:04,090
interesting sub stories behind the news

587
00:26:08,190 --> 00:26:05,830
to how stuffs getting made really yeah

588
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,200
it's one of my favorite talks of the

589
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whole weekend I really love the way you

590
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present it it's it's funny and engaging

591
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and one of my favorite things that you

592
00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:16,330
talk about is that the fourth paragraph

593
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:18,550
rule yeah yeah may or may not have

594
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invented yeah I think so so the fourth

595
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:23,050
paragraph rule is a rule of thumb which

596
00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:24,730
says that if there's a company named in

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the fourth paragraph of the story then

598
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there's a very good chance that's the

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company who paid for the story and

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sometimes it's the third sometimes the

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fifth but the key is for it to be high

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in a full that when an editor starts

603
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cutting away the the copy of the bottom

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of the story to fit a smaller space in

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the newspaper the accompanying survives

606
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the cut but it's not so high up that

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that it's obvious in the fuzzy so the

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fourth paragraph is normally on average

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a good place to put it what I love about

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having that sort of pointed out is that

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you can go and talk to everyone else you

612
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know non skeptics everyone and point out

613
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that all there's a name in the fourth

614
00:26:57,810 --> 00:26:56,020
paragraph yeah they probably paid for

615
00:26:58,860 --> 00:26:57,820
this yeah yeah it is you can just go

616
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through a newspaper and it's got oh I

617
00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:00,430
see that's where that story it comes

618
00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:02,470
again yeah yeah it's entertaining to do

619
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and you can do it like you do it with

620
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teenagers or something and you teach

621
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them something about the world maybe

622
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:08,050
they'll read newspapers that little bit

623
00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:10,330
more critically yeah and it's impossible

624
00:27:14,850 --> 00:27:12,460
now tell me anyone who saw the talk or

625
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:14,860
her see me talk about this elsewhere or

626
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:16,030
heard me talk about on podcasts and

627
00:27:19,290 --> 00:27:17,200
things i think the skeptics on listeners

628
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:19,300
are probably aware of this stuff that I

629
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:20,410
do because I think I've meant even

630
00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:21,730
spoken about it on the show before and

631
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:23,470
if not Richard should get me on to talk

632
00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:25,090
specifically about it

633
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:27,550
but I think I guarantee that anyone

634
00:27:30,570 --> 00:27:29,170
who's seen this will then go away and

635
00:27:31,770 --> 00:27:30,580
you won't look at a newspaper again the

636
00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:31,780
same way you will look at a new story

637
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,950
online again the same way because you'll

638
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:34,960
be hunting for who put it there and

639
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:36,610
trying to question for motivation yeah

640
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:39,370
exactly yeah yeah yeah it's great work

641
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:42,970
and really glad you can make it what is

642
00:27:46,020 --> 00:27:44,650
it so you've been here all weekend which

643
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:46,030
you take away what's the best talk

644
00:27:50,610 --> 00:27:47,410
what's your favorite talk aside from

645
00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:50,620
your own I thought Beatrice her talk on

646
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:53,620
from chi Kappa the the Italian skeptics

647
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,570
about that the stuff they're doing to

648
00:28:00,900 --> 00:27:57,520
teach critical think the children how

649
00:28:02,790 --> 00:28:00,910
you can help kids learn science by

650
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:02,800
giving them a prospect like fire walking

651
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:05,050
and give them the problem and have them

652
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:06,490
selves take the problem apart and then

653
00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:07,600
come up with their own theories and

654
00:28:10,530 --> 00:28:09,550
figure out how it works and myself I

655
00:28:12,510 --> 00:28:10,540
thought was just really really great

656
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:12,520
work I'm so impressed all the time by

657
00:28:16,170 --> 00:28:13,690
the Italian skeptics I think they're

658
00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:16,180
great for Hans Rosling was brilliant um

659
00:28:20,550 --> 00:28:18,400
Haley Stevens a very good friend of mine

660
00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:20,560
she's always excellent she's against let

661
00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:22,030
everyone say that this morning it was

662
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:23,920
yes fantastic well she's just someone

663
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:25,810
who's got such an approachable and warm

664
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and friendly demeanor and but she and

665
00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:30,280
behind all that and you even people

666
00:28:33,210 --> 00:28:31,720
would dismiss it very easily sometimes

667
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:33,220
behind that they don't realize that

668
00:28:38,660 --> 00:28:34,930
there's a huge wealth of knowledge and

669
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:38,670
work okay say they were great talks and

670
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:40,570
overall the weekend you've met some

671
00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:42,370
great people had had good conversations

672
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:44,230
anything stuck out all well I mean every

673
00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:45,520
time you can come to an event where

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00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:47,260
you're speaking with skeptics from

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00:28:52,140 --> 00:28:50,260
outside of your own country boundaries

676
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:52,150
or even your language boundaries I think

677
00:28:55,740 --> 00:28:53,290
it's incredibly important because so

678
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:55,750
easy to to be caught up in the notion

679
00:28:59,250 --> 00:28:57,970
that skepticism is an english-speaking

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00:29:01,380 --> 00:28:59,260
phenomenon it's something happens in

681
00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:01,390
Australia and America and England and

682
00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:03,160
it's just great to see that it just

683
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:05,380
happens across the you know Europe we

684
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:06,730
had so many from countries represented

685
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:07,810
and this great work happening all over

686
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:09,730
yeah and yeah the language barrier is a

687
00:29:12,990 --> 00:29:11,170
huge thing actually because you don't

688
00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:13,000
see outside of it and it's actually it's

689
00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:14,470
interesting even going to something like

690
00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:17,830
tan I've been to two towns now and it

691
00:29:21,210 --> 00:29:19,420
sort of feels like skepticism is America

692
00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:21,220
hmm and yeah so we're about to have the

693
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:23,230
Australian skeptic conference and it's

694
00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:24,250
going to feel a little bit like

695
00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:26,140
skepticism is an Australian thing yeah

696
00:29:29,610 --> 00:29:28,030
caught up in urine area so the european

697
00:29:31,890 --> 00:29:29,620
conference congress they call it here

698
00:29:33,150 --> 00:29:31,900
has been interesting to see all these

699
00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:33,160
different nations and their different

700
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:35,620
ways and they're so sort of isolated by

701
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:37,030
their language because they've got to

702
00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:38,480
reach their own public

703
00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:40,070
it's been an experience that's that's a

704
00:29:43,659 --> 00:29:42,200
great insight thank you so much for

705
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:43,669
taking the time to talk with me no

706
00:29:48,390 --> 00:29:45,110
thanks very much thank you and I can't

707
00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:51,610
okay so I have a cat Catherine de Jonge

708
00:29:56,049 --> 00:29:54,590
getting the green tea on from the

709
00:29:57,159 --> 00:29:56,059
Netherlands yes amsterdam the

710
00:30:00,909 --> 00:29:57,169
netherlands so why don't you tell

711
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:00,919
everyone what you do I'm anna-lysa dist

712
00:30:07,780 --> 00:30:04,130
I'm and also I'm also the president of

713
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:07,790
the Dutch society gets quackery and we

714
00:30:17,289 --> 00:30:10,510
organize symposiums we have a website

715
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:17,299
called wwx alvarado tonnelle and we

716
00:30:25,419 --> 00:30:19,970
write a lot on our website debunking

717
00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:25,429
alternative medicine treatments we

718
00:30:29,710 --> 00:30:27,169
organize our symposium BF a magazine

719
00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:29,720
with a website what else we do we'll

720
00:30:36,010 --> 00:30:31,460
give a lot of love lectures we write

721
00:30:37,539 --> 00:30:36,020
articles to magazines and we are keeps

722
00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:37,549
is quite busy but what do you do with

723
00:30:43,810 --> 00:30:41,900
your spare time how do you keep up with

724
00:30:46,990 --> 00:30:43,820
all that keep the organization going

725
00:30:50,730 --> 00:30:47,000
read a lot react on twitter write

726
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:50,740
letters to the editor of magazines of

727
00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:54,080
newspapers get things organized for the

728
00:31:01,900 --> 00:30:57,710
for the symposium it's a it's a nice

729
00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:01,910
movie yeah very very busy and this

730
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,870
weekend you gave a talk on in pseudo

731
00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:08,000
scientific fiction fiction treatments

732
00:31:13,770 --> 00:31:11,030
because as an anesthetist I also worked

733
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:13,780
for an addiction clinic where we

734
00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:16,190
detoxify heroine addicts under general

735
00:31:21,549 --> 00:31:18,950
anesthesia as a start of a clean life

736
00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:21,559
and I came in contact with a lot of

737
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:23,470
addicts who had been fooled by

738
00:31:28,150 --> 00:31:26,450
alternative healers and quacks and I

739
00:31:30,580 --> 00:31:28,160
feel sorry for these people and

740
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,590
something has to be done yeah so I don't

741
00:31:34,419 --> 00:31:32,240
like their lives fighting isn't hard

742
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:34,429
enough already yes I'm especially

743
00:31:38,499 --> 00:31:37,010
fighting quacks and quickly in the

744
00:31:42,699 --> 00:31:38,509
addiction medicine

745
00:31:45,579 --> 00:31:42,709
and well so far at least one clinic is

746
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:45,589
out of business because of my actions

747
00:31:51,999 --> 00:31:48,320
and fantastically trying to get some

748
00:31:54,129 --> 00:31:52,009
more this is great work so have you

749
00:31:56,579 --> 00:31:54,139
found this weekend overall and you take

750
00:31:58,719 --> 00:31:56,589
messages was your favorite talker

751
00:32:02,439 --> 00:31:58,729
presenting that's difficult to say they

752
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:02,449
were also very different and oh very

753
00:32:08,909 --> 00:32:05,089
good in their own way I loved amy

754
00:32:13,389 --> 00:32:08,919
stephens this morning the ghost hunter

755
00:32:16,419 --> 00:32:13,399
with her stories that they're all grades

756
00:32:19,689 --> 00:32:16,429
and everybody had a good message and I

757
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:19,699
had a good point to take home and as

758
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:22,129
inspiration for the next year made any

759
00:32:26,589 --> 00:32:24,289
new friends a lots i made a lot of new

760
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:26,599
friends too much to mention and i made a

761
00:32:32,739 --> 00:32:29,809
lot of notes and i wrote a lot of names

762
00:32:34,989 --> 00:32:32,749
and websites said that i'm going to look

763
00:32:37,659 --> 00:32:34,999
into the next few weeks and months and

764
00:32:39,549 --> 00:32:37,669
I've got plenty to do yes hey fix but I

765
00:32:42,999 --> 00:32:39,559
guess we will be seeing you again in

766
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:43,009
2015 in London uh well if I'm not that

767
00:32:49,059 --> 00:32:47,089
I'll be there thank you yes I hope to be

768
00:32:51,399 --> 00:32:49,069
there myself yes so far away great

769
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:51,409
wonderful thank you for your time okay

770
00:32:57,339 --> 00:32:55,129
you're right hey you guys so I'm sitting

771
00:33:00,430 --> 00:32:57,349
here the last day of the euro Scott euro

772
00:33:03,699 --> 00:33:00,440
skeptics Congress and I am with PJ who

773
00:33:06,699 --> 00:33:03,709
organized this year the 15th and with

774
00:33:10,830 --> 00:33:06,709
Michael heap who is currently just taken

775
00:33:15,690 --> 00:33:10,840
over the organization of the 16th in one

776
00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:15,700
in 2015 right right the 20 so that um

777
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:17,140
how do you think things are going be

778
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:19,390
Jenny June was as everything worked out

779
00:33:24,510 --> 00:33:22,480
as planned but you well everything

780
00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:24,520
hasn't worked as planned but everyone

781
00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:27,220
has had a great experience and that was

782
00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:29,740
the main goal in without coming so it

783
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,350
takes to manage with that and now all I

784
00:33:37,650 --> 00:33:34,960
really want to say because I want to go

785
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:37,660
to sleep cry too soon if they're very

786
00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:40,210
much good luck to Michael thank you

787
00:33:47,460 --> 00:33:44,740
energy I hope the best for you and I

788
00:33:50,340 --> 00:33:47,470
will try to be in London definitely good

789
00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:50,350
and I hope we make as good a job of it

790
00:33:56,610 --> 00:33:53,620
as you have but knowing the British will

791
00:33:59,850 --> 00:33:56,620
just muddle through somehow and it'll be

792
00:34:02,480 --> 00:33:59,860
all right on the night awesome job PJ

793
00:34:06,390 --> 00:34:02,490
it's been a fantastic weekend and

794
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,400
Michael so you started planning you just

795
00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:07,840
you were up on stage then describing

796
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:10,060
what's what you're putting together what

797
00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:11,290
were some of the names that you're

798
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,460
hoping to hear you're going to start

799
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:14,560
talking to them if you got some well

800
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:16,510
some of the men's so that have come up

801
00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:20,170
our of course Richard Dawkins Simon

802
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:24,340
Singh is a good possibility Ben Goldacre

803
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,240
is very popular Ed's I danced of course

804
00:34:33,899 --> 00:34:30,720
in alternative medicine

805
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,909
had somebody mentioned Steven law who's

806
00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:36,159
professor of philosophy and a prominent

807
00:34:42,270 --> 00:34:39,460
humanists and then we've had that

808
00:34:49,530 --> 00:34:42,280
Stephen Fry yes we've got him as well

809
00:34:53,129 --> 00:34:49,540
yes Stephen Fry and Tim Minchin under

810
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:53,139
and brown as possible you know big stars

811
00:35:00,640 --> 00:34:57,680
yes so we will work on that

812
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:00,650
so we've got two years do you know what

813
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:02,930
date it will be only it's the first

814
00:35:10,510 --> 00:35:07,119
probably the third weekend in September

815
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:10,520
2015 something like the 21st way to

816
00:35:18,350 --> 00:35:11,640
third

817
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:18,360
so I'm sure that everyone listening but

818
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:19,500
the skeptic lands got to do their best

819
00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:22,200
to make it oh it's going to be much

820
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:25,740
bigger it's going to be fantastic thank

821
00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:31,500
you very much and we'll see here so I've

822
00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:34,020
just just accosted how long will you be

823
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:36,270
we are going to be less than one minute

824
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:37,980
you were leaving catch a plane right now

825
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:39,960
but it's very important because you're

826
00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:41,190
coming to Australia I am coming to

827
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:42,840
Australia why you come to Israel I'm

828
00:35:47,090 --> 00:35:45,000
coming for the indigenes matix Congress

829
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:47,100
oh so you didn't commit a crime well I'm

830
00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:50,040
not gonna come in patterns have to

831
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:52,590
govern so you're coming to the Congress

832
00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:54,180
I am and you're going to be talking

833
00:35:58,580 --> 00:35:56,790
about your field of research I'm going

834
00:36:00,200 --> 00:35:58,590
to be talking about various aspects of

835
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:00,210
it yeah so I'm very much looking forward

836
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:02,130
I'm doing various or the talks while I'm

837
00:36:06,620 --> 00:36:04,290
in the country or on quick idea how

838
00:36:08,330 --> 00:36:06,630
would I would if I knew but I know

839
00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:08,340
there's an email in my inbox waiting to

840
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:10,200
be read now as I'm letting other people

841
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:12,090
arrange the itinerary I've just said in

842
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:13,740
fact me over I'll do talks anyone you

843
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:15,660
would so I we're looking forward to so

844
00:36:20,570 --> 00:36:17,250
probably pop sale populations or

845
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:20,580
something anything you know yeah that's

846
00:36:25,580 --> 00:36:22,770
absolutely great um can't wait to see

847
00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:25,590
you there um it's going to be at the end

848
00:36:30,290 --> 00:36:27,870
of november i'm leaving camera that

849
00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:30,300
sounds about right and yeah um yeah can

850
00:36:35,330 --> 00:36:31,740
we know i'm really looking for maybe our

851
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:35,340
first trip to Oz so very excited we'll

852
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:36,570
make sure we give you a good show around

853
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:38,730
the area excellent right take this

854
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:41,820
krista Cheers so I'm here we've got it

855
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:44,370
from Norway and we're wandering the

856
00:36:51,140 --> 00:36:46,830
streets of Stockholm and after the last

857
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:51,150
day of the 15th European skeptic

858
00:36:58,070 --> 00:36:56,010
Congress we're heading from we just had

859
00:37:00,080 --> 00:36:58,080
skeptics on the Bob the problem yeah

860
00:37:01,820 --> 00:37:00,090
skeptics in the restaurant kind of yeah

861
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:01,830
a little dinner now we're going to an

862
00:37:08,570 --> 00:37:05,760
irish bar are we yep so to wrap up the

863
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:08,580
weekend tell us tell us before we talk

864
00:37:14,059 --> 00:37:10,890
about the weekend what it is that you do

865
00:37:15,019 --> 00:37:14,069
in Norway at the moment no you tell us

866
00:37:18,980 --> 00:37:15,029
what you're studying at the moment were

867
00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:18,990
you working on um I am studying for a

868
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:20,700
master's degree in science and

869
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:23,369
technology in society and I'm really

870
00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:24,690
into everything that has to do with like

871
00:37:28,099 --> 00:37:26,430
public understanding of science and

872
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:28,109
science journalism and science

873
00:37:32,779 --> 00:37:30,210
communication that's my thing right now

874
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:32,789
and very important thing to the skeptic

875
00:37:39,529 --> 00:37:35,460
community yeah yeah communication I'm

876
00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:39,539
actually I've had a lot of what do you

877
00:37:42,589 --> 00:37:41,430
call it both tasks and things that I've

878
00:37:43,759 --> 00:37:42,599
been doing in the skeptic immunity for a

879
00:37:45,140 --> 00:37:43,769
few years now but now I'm kind of

880
00:37:46,549 --> 00:37:45,150
pulling out of all the formal things i'm

881
00:37:47,779 --> 00:37:46,559
still doing skeptics in the pub and

882
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:47,789
stuff just not like organizing

883
00:37:52,549 --> 00:37:50,910
conferences yeah because i met you in

884
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:52,559
the first I had no idea what you've been

885
00:37:59,359 --> 00:37:56,700
up to you you organize a group annoyed

886
00:38:00,890 --> 00:37:59,369
tell us you were the president of the of

887
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,900
the Norwegian skeptic no agent skeptic

888
00:38:04,759 --> 00:38:02,640
yeah wow so you said off the Norwegian

889
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:04,769
skeptics again a second time wasn't it

890
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:06,180
yeah because the organization had been

891
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:08,700
sleeping for like 15 years after after

892
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:12,930
the old board sort of California we

893
00:38:19,749 --> 00:38:16,710
found at the skeptic thing and you had

894
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:19,759
your own podcast well it's not my own

895
00:38:24,109 --> 00:38:22,200
your group yeah I was on the panel

896
00:38:25,579 --> 00:38:24,119
actually I'm saying all this apparently

897
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:25,589
you've been on skeptics and a few times

898
00:38:29,509 --> 00:38:27,480
now yeah I think it's been three times

899
00:38:31,549 --> 00:38:29,519
okay I think so so this is all new to me

900
00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:31,559
but everyone's just going oh I'm worried

901
00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:33,990
yeah we know haha hopefully hahaha

902
00:38:38,059 --> 00:38:35,880
nothing can go back and listen to the

903
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:38,069
episode where talk about fish dead fish

904
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,170
in Norway that's a good episode ok

905
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:42,240
they're not what we who is your

906
00:38:47,630 --> 00:38:45,450
favourite talk of this weekend I think I

907
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,640
might have to say Hans Rosling and a son

908
00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:49,440
that was really fun I loved how they

909
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:50,940
present statistics and like their

910
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:52,619
mission about spreading knowledge in

911
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,599
society they're very constructive about

912
00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:56,640
it they really think about like how this

913
00:39:01,230 --> 00:38:58,740
information is useful to who is useful

914
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:01,240
or to whom it's useful

915
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:03,130
and yeah that was a fail to highlight

916
00:39:10,109 --> 00:39:07,380
yeah yeah it's fantastic talk as

917
00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:10,119
everyone knows everyone knows Hans and

918
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,460
his presentation styles fantastic yeah I

919
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:14,560
agree it's the what they're trying to do

920
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:15,490
with it and the fact they're being

921
00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:17,890
practical yeah and really are you stuck

922
00:39:21,090 --> 00:39:19,750
there yeah it's great of course there

923
00:39:25,530 --> 00:39:21,100
were a lot of great talks i also love

924
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:25,540
them marsh Michael Marshalls talk yeah

925
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:29,230
he talked about PR and and journalism

926
00:39:34,350 --> 00:39:32,280
which was good it was cleared up a few

927
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:34,360
news stories that were not really news

928
00:39:38,609 --> 00:39:36,850
stories dis commercials yes and Haley's

929
00:39:43,170 --> 00:39:38,619
stories from hunting ghosts were great

930
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:43,180
Haley Stevens that was great um Chris

931
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:44,530
friends talking about his book I thought

932
00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:46,060
he had a lot of interesting points I'm

933
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:47,350
really looking forward to reading that

934
00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:50,050
book oh great he was the in australia

935
00:39:54,990 --> 00:39:52,600
soon oh cool so I'm talking at our

936
00:39:56,580 --> 00:39:55,000
conference so that's a great later

937
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,590
hopefully lots of listeners will be

938
00:40:02,790 --> 00:39:58,480
turning up to the conference and I get

939
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:02,800
to meet more people recommended so good

940
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:05,290
weekend definitely finishing on a big

941
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:08,050
night tonight Goku an Irish bar what's

942
00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:27,870
have you heard the one about how the

943
00:40:31,350 --> 00:40:29,830
Illuminati in conjunction with the US

944
00:40:33,210 --> 00:40:31,360
government are hiding the existence of

945
00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:33,220
aliens in order to ensure the supply of

946
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:35,590
helium is kept low although the CIA the

947
00:40:38,610 --> 00:40:36,850
militant wing of the Freemasons are

948
00:40:40,050 --> 00:40:38,620
working with the elders of zion to take

949
00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:40,060
control of the population of the world

950
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:42,580
through fluoridated chemtrails canberra

951
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:44,350
skeptics incorporated on behalf of the

952
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:45,850
shadow government will be massing an

953
00:40:50,070 --> 00:40:47,530
array of dark forces for the australian

954
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:50,080
skeptics national convention 2013 this

955
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,850
convention has conspired to coincide

956
00:40:55,770 --> 00:40:53,440
with 50th anniversary of the

957
00:40:57,450 --> 00:40:55,780
assassination of John F Kennedy possibly

958
00:40:59,460 --> 00:40:57,460
the most famous conspiracy theory of all

959
00:41:01,320 --> 00:40:59,470
time if you've ever wanted to learn

960
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:01,330
about the truth behind the death of JFK

961
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:03,250
what makes for a good conspiracy theory

962
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:05,140
and why they are so prevalent Canberra

963
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:07,150
skeptics invites you to attend that is

964
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:08,890
of course should you choose to accept it

965
00:41:14,490 --> 00:41:11,920
come to national skeptics convention org

966
00:41:26,289 --> 00:41:14,500
and just remember they will be watching

967
00:41:29,859 --> 00:41:28,359
thank you for listening to the skeptic

968
00:41:31,809 --> 00:41:29,869
zone and thank you for those people who

969
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:31,819
have been listening for five years now

970
00:41:36,669 --> 00:41:34,160
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971
00:41:41,339 --> 00:41:36,679
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972
00:41:44,049 --> 00:41:41,349
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973
00:41:47,049 --> 00:41:44,059
greatly appreciated and it really does

974
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:47,059
help keep the show going coming up on

975
00:41:50,829 --> 00:41:48,349
the skeptic zone we're going to be

976
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,839
finding out more about the latest our

977
00:41:55,989 --> 00:41:52,880
news concerning the Australian

978
00:41:58,329 --> 00:41:55,999
anti-vaccination network or whatever the

979
00:42:01,150 --> 00:41:58,339
game to call themselves who knows more

980
00:42:04,359 --> 00:42:01,160
from Maynard more from Stefan and more

981
00:42:07,179 --> 00:42:04,369
from our good friends in Victoria the

982
00:42:08,589 --> 00:42:07,189
Victorian skeptics but until then I

983
00:42:12,579 --> 00:42:08,599
think it's time for me to have a good

984
00:42:14,499 --> 00:42:12,589
lie down sure why not until next time

985
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:14,509
this is Richard Saunders signing off

986
00:42:22,179 --> 00:42:19,910
from Melbourne Australia you've been

987
00:42:26,739 --> 00:42:22,189
listening to the skeptic zone visit our

988
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